Comments on: All Old Testament Laws Cancelled: Book Review http://blackandreformedministries.com/2008/11/12/all-old-testament-laws-cancelled-book-review/ "But as it is, Christ has obtained a ministry that is as much more excellent than the old as the covenant he mediates is better, since it is enacted on better promises." Hebrews 8:6 Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:18:30 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: lionelwoods7 http://blackandreformedministries.com/2008/11/12/all-old-testament-laws-cancelled-book-review/#comment-4420 lionelwoods7 Thu, 13 Nov 2008 23:15:19 +0000 http://blackandreformedministries.wordpress.com/?p=1050#comment-4420 Anytime brother, I am going to check your other works also. Keep it going. I love this, now you only have to answer the critics who want you to give a theological treatise on it. I believe this work is being done. Anytime brother,

I am going to check your other works also. Keep it going. I love this, now you only have to answer the critics who want you to give a theological treatise on it. I believe this work is being done.

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By: Greg Gibson http://blackandreformedministries.com/2008/11/12/all-old-testament-laws-cancelled-book-review/#comment-4419 Greg Gibson Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:55:24 +0000 http://blackandreformedministries.wordpress.com/?p=1050#comment-4419 Lionel, thank you for taking the time to review my book. P.S. Your comment relating tithing and pigs was worth the price of admission! Lionel, thank you for taking the time to review my book.

P.S. Your comment relating tithing and pigs was worth the price of admission!

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By: Ed http://blackandreformedministries.com/2008/11/12/all-old-testament-laws-cancelled-book-review/#comment-4391 Ed Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:16:47 +0000 http://blackandreformedministries.wordpress.com/?p=1050#comment-4391 Thank you very much. Very enlightening amd interesting. Thank you very much. Very enlightening amd interesting.

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By: SOwen http://blackandreformedministries.com/2008/11/12/all-old-testament-laws-cancelled-book-review/#comment-4361 SOwen Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:38:02 +0000 http://blackandreformedministries.wordpress.com/?p=1050#comment-4361 Ed, I would like to add to what Hutch said about tithing. Check out this site as it is very informative. www.bible-truths.com/tithing.html The title is Tithing is unscriptural under the New Covenant I just happened to be reading Hebrews today during my study. Check out Hebrews 7:5 And indeed those who are of the sons of Levi, who recieve the priesthood, have a commandment to recieve tithes from the people according to the law, that is from their brethren...." According to that tithing was of the law. And for the Levites. We no longer have levites we have a savior. And so there is no need to pay the Levites. I wholeheartedly agree with what Hutch said above and to say more would be to just repeat what he already expressed. Steven Ed,
I would like to add to what Hutch said about tithing.
Check out this site as it is very informative.
http://www.bible-truths.com/tithing.html
The title is Tithing is unscriptural under the New Covenant
I just happened to be reading Hebrews today during my study.
Check out Hebrews 7:5 And indeed those who are of the sons of Levi, who recieve the priesthood, have a commandment to recieve tithes from the people according to the law, that is from their brethren….”
According to that tithing was of the law. And for the Levites.
We no longer have levites we have a savior. And so there is no need to pay the Levites.
I wholeheartedly agree with what Hutch said above and to say more would be to just repeat what he already expressed.
Steven

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By: Hutch http://blackandreformedministries.com/2008/11/12/all-old-testament-laws-cancelled-book-review/#comment-4359 Hutch Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:03:40 +0000 http://blackandreformedministries.wordpress.com/?p=1050#comment-4359 Ed- I'm with Lionel. One hundred percent of an individual’s possessions and resources belongs to God. Under the New Covenant there is no set amount or percentage that a believer is required to give. The New Testament is the clearest guide for the Christian. We can find everything we need for life and godliness in the things written to us, without having to dredge up rules for other people for other purposes. This does not denigrate or set aside the Old Testament at all, it simply places it in proper perspective, the perspective the New Covenant gives it. Law preachers must go back to the Old Testament and even back to the uncertain institutions of the patriarchal age for their clearest authority on thing as there is no evidence for “Christian tithing” in the New Testament. That is why the tithing teachers must go back to the Old Testament, they usually avoid the New Testament entirely or worse they distort the New Testament to try to make it fit their theory. There is no command for a Christian to tithe anywhere in the New Testament. BTW those there is not a single individual who teaches tithing or practices what passes for tithing in churches that teach such, who actually tithe as commanded under the Old Covenant. Remember that the 3 tithes mentioned under the Mosaic system was designed to support the upkeep of the temple and the temple service (now we are the temple of God) to support the priesthood and national theocratic government(now all believers are priests with Christ Himself being our Great High Priest). The two main motivations for Law Preachers/Tithing Teachers in teaching NT Storehouse tithing are: 1) to fund unbiblical projects with the congregation’s money such as paying for huge constructions loans and interest as well as “staff” salaries. Some churches waste almost all (up to 90%) of a congregations “giving” on buildings and staff salaries. 2) In order for unbiblical leadership to exercise “control” or “authority” over the funds “given” by a congregation that God’s Word does not give to them. Believers are admonished to give regularly, as one has been prospered, cheerfully and sacrificially (2 Corinthians 9:17, I Corinthians 16:1-4, Romans 12:8,). Giving in the New Covenant scriptures is used mainly to alleviate legitimate physical needs for ones own family (1 Timothy 5:8) especially widows (1 Timothy 5:3-4) then for those within the congregation and greater Christian community/help the poor (1 Corinthians 16:1-4), to support those who travel away from their homes on a legitimate/qualified missionary journey/church planting trip. 1 Corinthians 9:1-15. The idea of paying a church staff to "do ministry" is alien and unheard of in the New Testament scriptures. The work of the ministry including the teaching is to be done by the congregation of which the older and more spiritually mature brothers/elders are a part. Elders like the rest of believers are to have their own gainful employment as to not be a burden to the congregation as patterned by the Apostle Paul. All believers are to exercise their spiritual gifts within the congregation as their spiritual or reasonable act of worship to God and not for financial compensation (Romans 12:1-2). The amount and place that a believer gives towards the work of Christ are between him and his Lord alone. Ed-

I’m with Lionel.

One hundred percent of an individual’s possessions and resources belongs to God.

Under the New Covenant there is no set amount or percentage that a believer is required to give.

The New Testament is the clearest guide for the Christian. We can find everything we need for life and godliness in the things written to us, without having to dredge up rules for other people for other purposes. This does not denigrate or set aside the Old Testament at all, it simply places it in proper perspective, the perspective the New Covenant gives it.

Law preachers must go back to the Old Testament and even back to the uncertain institutions of the patriarchal age for their clearest authority on thing as there is no evidence for “Christian tithing” in the New Testament. That is why the tithing teachers must go back to the Old Testament, they usually avoid the New Testament entirely or worse they distort the New Testament to try to make it fit their theory. There is no command for a Christian to tithe anywhere in the New Testament.

BTW those there is not a single individual who teaches tithing or practices what passes for tithing in churches that teach such, who actually tithe as commanded under the Old Covenant.

Remember that the 3 tithes mentioned under the Mosaic system was designed to support the upkeep of the temple and the temple service (now we are the temple of God) to support the priesthood and national theocratic government(now all believers are priests with Christ Himself being our Great High Priest).

The two main motivations for Law Preachers/Tithing Teachers in teaching NT Storehouse tithing are: 1) to fund unbiblical projects with the congregation’s money such as paying for huge constructions loans and interest as well as “staff” salaries. Some churches waste almost all (up to 90%) of a congregations “giving” on buildings and staff salaries. 2) In order for unbiblical leadership to exercise “control” or “authority” over the funds “given” by a congregation that God’s Word does not give to them.

Believers are admonished to give regularly, as one has been prospered, cheerfully and sacrificially (2 Corinthians 9:17, I Corinthians 16:1-4, Romans 12:8,).

Giving in the New Covenant scriptures is used mainly to alleviate legitimate physical needs for ones own family (1 Timothy 5:8) especially widows (1 Timothy 5:3-4) then for those within the congregation and greater Christian community/help the poor (1 Corinthians 16:1-4), to support those who travel away from their homes on a legitimate/qualified missionary journey/church planting trip. 1 Corinthians 9:1-15.

The idea of paying a church staff to “do ministry” is alien and unheard of in the New Testament scriptures.

The work of the ministry including the teaching is to be done by the congregation of which the older and more spiritually mature brothers/elders are a part.

Elders like the rest of believers are to have their own gainful employment as to not be a burden to the congregation as patterned by the Apostle Paul.

All believers are to exercise their spiritual gifts within the congregation as their spiritual or reasonable act of worship to God and not for financial compensation (Romans 12:1-2).

The amount and place that a believer gives towards the work of Christ are between him and his Lord alone.

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