Comments on: Leading God’s People God’s Way Intro: Please Throw Away All of Your John Maxwell Books http://blackandreformedministries.com/2008/09/09/leading-gods-people-gods-way-intro-please-throw-away-all-of-your-john-maxwell-books/ "But as it is, Christ has obtained a ministry that is as much more excellent than the old as the covenant he mediates is better, since it is enacted on better promises." Hebrews 8:6 Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:18:30 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: louise http://blackandreformedministries.com/2008/09/09/leading-gods-people-gods-way-intro-please-throw-away-all-of-your-john-maxwell-books/#comment-6103 louise Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:12:47 +0000 http://blackandreformedministries.wordpress.com/?p=744#comment-6103 Have I driven that point home..... not have I drove... Good points, thanks! Have I driven that point home….. not have I drove…

Good points, thanks!

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By: lionelwoods7 http://blackandreformedministries.com/2008/09/09/leading-gods-people-gods-way-intro-please-throw-away-all-of-your-john-maxwell-books/#comment-3125 lionelwoods7 Thu, 11 Sep 2008 13:48:23 +0000 http://blackandreformedministries.wordpress.com/?p=744#comment-3125 SB, $1.4M is chump change brother. If you ain't pushing in the mid tens you are a scrub. LOL. I will also say to your question to Daniel. Maybe. If we could build a functional building. Used to feed and house the homeless, put a clinic in their for flu shots and small medical care, have a place where people can have functions there, and maybe even summer programs for the less fortunate, then I will say yes. But since those things are always done outside of the "church" then my answer is no. I rather give directly to those who are doing that, rather than have 70-80% cut off the top. SB,

$1.4M is chump change brother. If you ain’t pushing in the mid tens you are a scrub. LOL.

I will also say to your question to Daniel. Maybe. If we could build a functional building. Used to feed and house the homeless, put a clinic in their for flu shots and small medical care, have a place where people can have functions there, and maybe even summer programs for the less fortunate, then I will say yes. But since those things are always done outside of the “church” then my answer is no. I rather give directly to those who are doing that, rather than have 70-80% cut off the top.

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By: smithbaptist http://blackandreformedministries.com/2008/09/09/leading-gods-people-gods-way-intro-please-throw-away-all-of-your-john-maxwell-books/#comment-3116 smithbaptist Thu, 11 Sep 2008 03:37:37 +0000 http://blackandreformedministries.wordpress.com/?p=744#comment-3116 Thanks Brother Cochran, I wish more local congregations thought about being "members" of the Body (Church universal). I get sooooooo frustrated with black Christians, who want to be called "African-Americans" and yet have NO concern for missiological advance on the African continent. They aren't African-Americans - they just "black." I have internal discomfort (upset stomach) when a congregation can build a $1.4 million dollar building but cannot help a Kenyan brother buy a $30,000 Toyota Rava, so he can do ministry in Kenya, Tanzania, and Uganda. Also, don't balk at helping a brother buy $10,000 worth of land so he can feed the 50-60 orphans he houses due to AIDS orphans. American Christians have some serious stewardship issues to consider as we look at the Church global. That said, Daniel, are there any scenarios where a building purchase would make biblical sense for a gathered congregation? Thanks Brother Cochran, I wish more local congregations thought about being “members” of the Body (Church universal).

I get sooooooo frustrated with black Christians, who want to be called “African-Americans” and yet have NO concern for missiological advance on the African continent. They aren’t African-Americans – they just “black.”

I have internal discomfort (upset stomach) when a congregation can build a $1.4 million dollar building but cannot help a Kenyan brother buy a $30,000 Toyota Rava, so he can do ministry in Kenya, Tanzania, and Uganda. Also, don’t balk at helping a brother buy $10,000 worth of land so he can feed the 50-60 orphans he houses due to AIDS orphans. American Christians have some serious stewardship issues to consider as we look at the Church global.

That said, Daniel, are there any scenarios where a building purchase would make biblical sense for a gathered congregation?

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By: Larry A. Cochran http://blackandreformedministries.com/2008/09/09/leading-gods-people-gods-way-intro-please-throw-away-all-of-your-john-maxwell-books/#comment-3111 Larry A. Cochran Wed, 10 Sep 2008 22:53:06 +0000 http://blackandreformedministries.wordpress.com/?p=744#comment-3111 When we look at the finances of the church local, I think we sometimes forget the church universal. Paul was good at universal distribution for the sake of the gospel. In the business world to whom I am accustomed, I see all kinds of collaborations. Most people hardly understand the insurance industry, in how they pool monies together to pay for major claims from. They in essence insure their insurance. In the church universal, our insurance is our faith and Christ has ensured our survival by the works of our own as well as our brother and sisters hands. We have to move past the fundemental efforts to fund ministry and go back to the basic elements of ministry, therfore reducing the overhead and the need to pursue other means of funding besides what the bible calls freely giving as we have recieved or having all things in common or giving to the needs of our brothers and sisters. We truly have all things needed when we look at the overall resources of the church universal. When we look at the finances of the church local, I think we sometimes forget the church universal. Paul was good at universal distribution for the sake of the gospel. In the business world to whom I am accustomed, I see all kinds of collaborations. Most people hardly understand the insurance industry, in how they pool monies together to pay for major claims from. They in essence insure their insurance.

In the church universal, our insurance is our faith and Christ has ensured our survival by the works of our own as well as our brother and sisters hands. We have to move past the fundemental efforts to fund ministry and go back to the basic elements of ministry, therfore reducing the overhead and the need to pursue other means of funding besides what the bible calls freely giving as we have recieved or having all things in common or giving to the needs of our brothers and sisters. We truly have all things needed when we look at the overall resources of the church universal.

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By: Larry A. Cochran http://blackandreformedministries.com/2008/09/09/leading-gods-people-gods-way-intro-please-throw-away-all-of-your-john-maxwell-books/#comment-3110 Larry A. Cochran Wed, 10 Sep 2008 22:44:02 +0000 http://blackandreformedministries.wordpress.com/?p=744#comment-3110 Hey Lionel, Good catch. I wanted to express that in the corporate world of CEO's and Managers, not the church. Church organizations have a different manual than those who work for Target or Microsoft. Sorry about the mix up. Hey Lionel,

Good catch. I wanted to express that in the corporate world of CEO’s and Managers, not the church. Church organizations have a different manual than those who work for Target or Microsoft. Sorry about the mix up.

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