It’s clear you don’t understand Jewish allegories, so below is a short lesson

Matthew 24:14, “But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the son of man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory.”

Logically, if such physical events happen it could only mean the imminent destruction of our universe – which is exactly what many believe today! Rather, such poetic language is found elsewhere in the Bible to symbolically describe governing. Celestial bodies were often used to symbolize the rulers (or leaders) of nations.

Genesis 37:9-10, “Now he had still another dream, and related it to his brothers, and said, ‘Lo, I have had still another dream; and behold, the sun and the moon and eleven stars were bowing down to me.’
He related it to his father and to his brothers; and his father rebuked him and said to him, ‘What is this dream that you have had? Shall I and your mother and your brothers actually come to bow ourselves down before you to the ground’?”

Isaiah 13:1-17, “The burden against Babylon which Isaiah the son of Amoz saw.. The noise of a multitude in the mountains, like that of many people! A tumultuous noise of the kingdoms of nations gathered together! The Lord of hosts musters the army for battle. Wail, for the day of the Lord is at hand! It will come as destruction from the Almighty. Therefore all hands will be limp, every man’s heart will melt, and they will be afraid. Pangs and sorrows will take hold of them; they will be in pain as a woman in childbirth; they will be amazed at one another; their faces will be like flames. Behold, the day of the LORD comes, cruel, with both wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate; and He will destroy its sinners from it. For the stars of heaven and their constellations will not give their light; the sun will be darkened in its going forth, and the moon will not cause its light to shine. I will punish the world for its evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; I will halt the arrogance of the proud, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible. Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them

Obviously there was no literal falling of stars in the days of Isaiah. He pictured the Babylonian Emperor as the sun, the queen as the moon, the military, political, business, and religious leaders as the stars, and the might of the empire as the powers of heaven. If you recall, the Median empire conquered Babylon in 538BC
So when Jesus uses these exact words, with the order slightly changed, he is using Isaiah’s symbolic language to refer to the fall of Jerusalem in the lifetime of His hearers. Jerusalem (Israel) was going to be destroyed in the same way as Babylon was six centuries before.

All would be fulfilled, your argument is not with me it’s with scripture.

Me and DTG agreement 99% of the time, we just disagree on your sincerity that’s the 1% .

That was a joke

Listen man. I am so tempted to return insults instead of engaging the discussion as a mature adult. But in order to set a proper example for you I will instead address what you said. Ready?

You typed:

“Hay LD, you’re all in the kool aid but you don’t know the flavor. Hutch said that he would not discuss this topic, my last post was addressing LW7 question,”

(BLD) What in any of my responses brought you to this conclusion? Oh wait, that’s a question. You don’t tend to answer those.

(Msamu) “BLD, you need to stop spinning, You’ve gotten answers from DTG, yet you continue to act as if you haven’t, maybe you guy’s need to consolidate your questions so they can be dealt with in an orderly fashion, not to say I’ve yet to hear an answer to any of the scriptures I presented. It’s like a school yard fight, you guy’s are lined up one behind another to fight one kid, we can do this, but please one at a time ”

(BLD) What exactly am I spinning? myself? the discussion? I haven’t asked you the same questions that I asked DTG. Unless you are talking about his attempts to explain to me what you meant in your answers to J.R. Miller. That he did do. But that’s him speaking for you. I wanted to hear it from you. Do you two agree 100% on everything concerning Full Preterism? Is he your prophet? Does he speak on your behalf? Should I just ask him the questions when I want to know the answer from you? In KJV language, “Shall I inquire of him?” Man those questions just wont stop coming, will they Msamu? And as far as a school yard fight, I let you know that I wasn’t debating, I was asking questions. I asked you to educate me. I wasn’t asking you to obey I Peter 3:15. I was asking for you to obey Romans 15:1-4. And you refused. Also, you didn’t present any questions to me as the setting was supposed to be me as the student and you as the teacher. What questions or scriptures was I supposed to respond to?

(Msamu) “BLD’s got his panties all up is a bunch about my comment, (woops their I go again) so to you and BLD and to anyone that was offended please accept my apologies.”

(BLD) Let’s see, an insult directed at me followed by an apology for insulting another brother. Hmmm? Matthew 15:18-19 “But the things that proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and those defile the man. For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, SLANDERS.” This includes what is written, typed, text’d, IM’d, etc. Take note Msamu.

(Msamu) “The short of it this BLD, If Christ said he was going to do something I.E Return and did not according to scripture.

Dut 18:20-22 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. And if thou say in thine heart, how shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that [is] the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, [but] the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

Since God cannot tell a lie, Christ who’s claiming to be God stated that events that would clearly confirm his claim to be The Christ (one lie disqualifies him as Christ) are clearly laid out in old as well as NT scripture, was he specking presumptuously? If yes then he cannot be the Christ, even if he was born of a virgin
did miracles, crucified on a cross, rose from the dead, but did not full all then he lied and cannot be the Christ”

(BLD) Finally an answer! Hip hip hooray! Hip hip hooray! Hip hip, aw never mind. Thank you for answering this question. I would have to say that I agree. If Christ is truly Christ, then those things that He said would come to pass must come to pass. However, there’s this funny thing about prophecy that the Jews didn’t learn. Prophecies must come true in the way God MEANT them and not the in the way we UNDERSTAND them. Just look at Joel 2:28-32. According to the Apostle Peter in Acts 2:17-21, Joel’s prophecy was being fulfilled before their very eyes. But what happened to the “wonders in the sky above”? Was Joel a false prophet? Was Peter delusional? Was it a partial fulfillment? You see Msamu, if we stick strictly to your understanding or interpretation of the application of Deuteronomy 18 as a means to judge prophecies, then we’ve got to reconsider the validity of a lot of things.

Msamu, you don’t have to respond. I have come to the conclusion that you want me to accept answers to questions that I didn’t ask and avoid answering the one’s I did, at least not all of them and not in detail. It seems that you would rather engage in a fight than to actually bear the burden of educating someone concerning what you believe. I apologize, Msamu, for waisting your time. And I apologize to you Lionel for using up so much space for a wasted endeavor.