I forgive you in your ignorance and will be praying for you as well.

What??? Badly mistaken your position??? With all the dialogue back and forth now you want to come up with the “I dont believe that” excuse? You teach exactly that so now when it is evidently exposed instead of answering the question, you hide behind another scripture taken out of context, one that is regarding things that are not essential to the faith in that Christians have liberty with regards to, e.i. eating and drinking, and try to apply that to this conversation on faith in Christ atoning work as the only means of salvation and the wrath of God to come?

One thing is evident, and has been. This conversation has been going in circles, like others before me were wise enough to forsee, because just like when the false teachers or cults are confronted with the truth they run and hide behind “what their church told them” or use some illogical, or irrational method of interpreting scripture, or personal experience or bias, instead of using the reasoning and intellect God gave them to do like the Bereans….search the scriptures to see if these things are so, and rightly divide the word of truth, so you have intellectually retreated to your safety net, instead of “subjecting all things to Christ” as you say by not subjecting your teaching to His word.

The reason I say this is obvious when you look at this thread. When you ask me to “address the problems with my understanding” every question you asked, I addressed directly, not using some obscure reference to a passage that doesnt answer the question. You wanted to play the whole aionios doesnt mean eternity game, but after I and others cited greek scholar after scholar that proved that depending on its usage it means exactly that, you have no response but try to say that the orthodox view contradicts “so many scriptures”. The only contradiction is again, in your flawed interpretation and understanding, not Gods word or the orthodox faith once for all delivered unto the saints!

I used your words to show how you repeatedly teach another way to God apart from faith in Christ and when the conclusion becomes apparent, you try to say you dont because you understand the implications of saying that you do, that is preaching another gospel. You have used flawed reasoning, twisted scripture and flat out ducked scripture that contradicts your heretical theology.

Finally, you antogonized others into this dialogue saying we are suppose to be helpers of one another, and a fellow brother trying to avoid error when that doesnt seem to have ever been your goal. Especially when you refuse to submit yourself to the clear teaching of Gods word because of your own personal convictions and that is sad.

I will continue to pray that God will give you His Spirit in all wisdom, understanding and truth and that you will know Him who through the Eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God!

In His grip for all eternity!

Okay lets stop playing games. If Jesus Christ is the only way to the Father and Jesus says you must place faith in me in this life. Then how is it that one can be saved by going through some purification in Hell? That never placed faith in Jesus in this life and that seems to be an obvious contradiction.

You must have my position badly mistaken. For I too believe that Christ is the only way to the Father. I’m simply saying what scriptures say that All things will be subdued and subjected to Christ.

Your understanding of God’s judgment is off. God’s judgment is righteous judgment to purify/cleanse/refine/subdue/subject. It is not everlasting torture of His enemies. This view contradicts so many scriptures!

It seems we are starting to go in circles on this one. We may have to just agree to disagree at this time. Rom 14:5 states: …let everyone be fully convinced in their own minds.

Im not quite certain I understand your response to question 1. Are you saying that God will not inflict judgment upon those who are not saved from His wrath by placing their trust in Christ? Is that your position? Or is it your position that God will “torture billions of people” for a while but not forever? Please clarify.

Again, you are distorting the truth of God for the sake of your faulty theology. You say “He will torture you by fire (forever) if you don’t accept Christ before you die (how cruel)” to make it seem as if God would somehow be cruel to judge. But that’s not the biblical position. People don’t receive judgment for “not accepting Christ before they die”. They are judge for THEIR SINS!!! And thats not cruel. Its justice! That is the clear teaching of scripture . John 3 says they are judged already and that they hate the Light because their deeds are evil! (v18)So the wrath of God abides on them and they will not see life!(v36). You may believe there are these “billions” of good innocent souls that will escape Gods wrath apart from Christ, but nowhere in the bible is that taught! The bible teaches that mankind is horribly evil and sinful (Rom 1:18-31) with a sick deceitful heart (Jer17:9) will not seek God (Rom 3:13-18) enemies of God (Col 1:21) and by nature children of wrath (Eph 2:3)

You stated “Yet God’s ultimate plan of reconciliation also deals with those who will not be SAVED FROM THE WRATH TO COME AND FROM SINS DOMINION IN THIS PRESENT AGE. This is apart of God’s design/creation for humankind”. This is false. There is no scripture that states God has a plan to reconcile any apart from Christ! Stating it to be so doesn’t make it true, but dangerously close to preaching another gospel.
And the plan that was the “ way of reconciliation being laid by God before the foundation of the world (ages) begin” is only found in Jesus! The bible says in Eph 1:3-5 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places IN CHRIST just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love (and then the Apostle Paul continues under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit to the saints at Ephesus, faithful in Christ Jesus) having predestined us to adoption as sons BY Jesus Christ to Himself according to the good pleasure of His will. Teaching any other way of reconciliation with God is unbiblical and heretical.
You quote Col 1:20 to say that God will reconcile all things to Himself in Christ, whether in heaven or on earth, but you have to jerk that scripture out of the context of the passage to make the universalist claim. Because if you look at the preceding and following verses it is clear that it is teaching Christ’s power and redemptive work (v13-14)preeminence in all things (v15-21) and that those who are “reconciled to God” in the body of Christ death are those who continue in the faith and are not moved from the hope of the gospel as verse 22-23 clearly state. So that argument is clearly false.
You said “I have found that some are turned off from the gospel of Christ just because of that thought” Are we then to preach that which unbelievers find “comforting”? Because a teaching of Christ is difficult for those who are unregenerate to accept, does that mean we change it? Give them something they want to hear instead? That is a sign of a false teacher, the Apostle Paul writes to Timothy 2Tim 4:2-4

You say “In the age of judgment all others will also be corrected/judged/tried/refined/baptized by God’s fire. However, they miss out on ruling and reigning with Christ during the figurative 1000 year reign.” If this is so, how is it that Satan is going to deceive the nations and gather them for war against the saints and the judgment at the great white throne, is AFTER the 1000 year reign, in which the dead are judged according to their works along with Satan and thrown into the lake of fire forever? (Rev 20:7-14)

In your view, after these “billions of souls are tortured for a limited time (figurative 1000 years as you say)” what happens to them after that? Do they repent of their sins? Are they then able to be with God forever? Do they then love God?