Comments on: ……And The World Realized That They Were Christians http://blackandreformedministries.com/2008/08/07/and-the-world-realized-that-they-were-christians/ "But as it is, Christ has obtained a ministry that is as much more excellent than the old as the covenant he mediates is better, since it is enacted on better promises." Hebrews 8:6 Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:18:30 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Burning Woman http://blackandreformedministries.com/2008/08/07/and-the-world-realized-that-they-were-christians/#comment-2211 Burning Woman Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:09:11 +0000 http://blackandreformedministries.wordpress.com/?p=502#comment-2211 More information can be found here: http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.pdf The abortion rate of women living under the poverty level is more than four times that of a woman living above %300 of the poverty level. More information can be found here: http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.pdf

The abortion rate of women living under the poverty level is more than four times that of a woman living above %300 of the poverty level.

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By: Burning Woman http://blackandreformedministries.com/2008/08/07/and-the-world-realized-that-they-were-christians/#comment-2209 Burning Woman Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:09:31 +0000 http://blackandreformedministries.wordpress.com/?p=502#comment-2209 Sure, there are Republican women who have abortions, even the very conservative types make bad decisions. This is because conservatives are also sinners. When talking about the Liberal Left and the Conservative Right in the abortion debate, its the issues not the individuals we should be looking at. And one of the biggest issues on the ballot is abortion. Now when Christians are brought into politics, what they have to look very carefully at is not whether to vote Democratic or Republican, but whether to vote liberal or conservative based on the issues at hand (the main one again being abortion). As Christians we should be extremely bothered by Obama's position on the unborn, extremely. As it was mentioned in previous comments, we could very well reverse Roe vs Wade if McCain is elected. This is significant. As for the number of middle class woman vs imppoverished women having abortions, women with family incomes over $60,000 count for only 13.8% of abortions. I think looking at the statistics by race also helps: "While white women obtain 60% of all abortions, their abortion rate is well below that of minority women. Black women are more than 3 times as likely as white women to have an abortion, and Hispanic women are roughly 2 times as likely." http://www.abortionno.org/Resources/fastfacts.html Sure, there are Republican women who have abortions, even the very conservative types make bad decisions. This is because conservatives are also sinners. When talking about the Liberal Left and the Conservative Right in the abortion debate, its the issues not the individuals we should be looking at. And one of the biggest issues on the ballot is abortion. Now when Christians are brought into politics, what they have to look very carefully at is not whether to vote Democratic or Republican, but whether to vote liberal or conservative based on the issues at hand (the main one again being abortion). As Christians we should be extremely bothered by Obama’s position on the unborn, extremely. As it was mentioned in previous comments, we could very well reverse Roe vs Wade if McCain is elected. This is significant.

As for the number of middle class woman vs imppoverished women having abortions, women with family incomes over $60,000 count for only 13.8% of abortions.

I think looking at the statistics by race also helps:

“While white women obtain 60% of all abortions, their abortion rate is well below that of minority women. Black women are more than 3 times as likely as white women to have an abortion, and Hispanic women are roughly 2 times as likely.”

http://www.abortionno.org/Resources/fastfacts.html

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By: Gabriel (G²) http://blackandreformedministries.com/2008/08/07/and-the-world-realized-that-they-were-christians/#comment-2204 Gabriel (G²) Fri, 15 Aug 2008 05:39:11 +0000 http://blackandreformedministries.wordpress.com/?p=502#comment-2204 Though I've not said anything of late regarding this discussion, some things which I immediately took note of that I'd like some answers on. 1.) Seeing how much discussion has been occuring within this thread on the issue of the RIGHT VERSES THE LEFT AND which one has the truth, I'd love for you to possibly investigate this book which I'm reading (<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Soul-Politics-Beyond-Religious-Secular/dp/0156003287/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1218778313&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Soul-Politics-Beyond-Religious-Secular/dp/0156003287/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1218778313&sr=8-1</a>). By a man by the name of Jim Wallis----who wrote the book entitled "God Politics: When the Right gets it WRONG and the Left doesn't GET IT" and is very balanced in his views regarding how often many will try to monopolize Christianity within the Right/Conservative Branches as if it has the lock on truth. For when the simple truth of the GOSPEL gets lost, what's the point?. 2.) (and this is done in all humility/sicerity---though in all honesty, a bit of frustration as well) <blockquote> Only liberals abort their babies. If you think conservatives have such horrible philosophies then why not vote pro life so more babies can be brought up liberal?</blockquote> As a Social Worker, Brah, if someone brought that comment up to another in an abortion clinic, they'd probably be laughed at---or in danger of being beaten up by others offended, seeing that many who're CONSERVATIVE have had abortions. Happens all the time, as the stereotype that those who're liberal/impoverished are the only ones having abortions is a flat lie.....and without any OBJECTIVE Evidence whatsoever. How many would be surprised by the stories of folks from the conservative middle class due and how many chose to have an abortion for fear of what their parents would think---as having a pregnant daughter within a high-class family might ruin the family name and in fear she doesn't alert them. That, or the father simply doesn't wish to take responsibility for the consequences of his actions when he simply wanted to "get it & hit it" and manipulates her into thinking it's the best thing for the relationship. The stories could go on....but again, wanted to be clear that those having something as horrendous/traumatic as an abortion are NOWHERE near the claim of "liberals' only....and saying otherwise is borderline slanderous. Though I’ve not said anything of late regarding this discussion, some things which I immediately took note of that I’d like some answers on. 1.) Seeing how much discussion has been occuring within this thread on the issue of the RIGHT VERSES THE LEFT AND which one has the truth, I’d love for you to possibly investigate this book which I’m reading (http://www.amazon.com/Soul-Politics-Beyond-Religious-Secular/dp/0156003287/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1218778313&sr=8-1). By a man by the name of Jim Wallis—-who wrote the book entitled “God Politics: When the Right gets it WRONG and the Left doesn’t GET IT” and is very balanced in his views regarding how often many will try to monopolize Christianity within the Right/Conservative Branches as if it has the lock on truth. For when the simple truth of the GOSPEL gets lost, what’s the point?.

2.) (and this is done in all humility/sicerity—though in all honesty, a bit of frustration as well)

Only liberals abort their babies. If you think conservatives have such horrible philosophies then why not vote pro life so more babies can be brought up liberal?

As a Social Worker, Brah, if someone brought that comment up to another in an abortion clinic, they’d probably be laughed at—or in danger of being beaten up by others offended, seeing that many who’re CONSERVATIVE have had abortions. Happens all the time, as the stereotype that those who’re liberal/impoverished are the only ones having abortions is a flat lie…..and without any OBJECTIVE Evidence whatsoever. How many would be surprised by the stories of folks from the conservative middle class due and how many chose to have an abortion for fear of what their parents would think—as having a pregnant daughter within a high-class family might ruin the family name and in fear she doesn’t alert them. That, or the father simply doesn’t wish to take responsibility for the consequences of his actions when he simply wanted to “get it & hit it” and manipulates her into thinking it’s the best thing for the relationship. The stories could go on….but again, wanted to be clear that those having something as horrendous/traumatic as an abortion are NOWHERE near the claim of “liberals’ only….and saying otherwise is borderline slanderous.

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By: Bro. Lawrence D. http://blackandreformedministries.com/2008/08/07/and-the-world-realized-that-they-were-christians/#comment-2201 Bro. Lawrence D. Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:51:45 +0000 http://blackandreformedministries.wordpress.com/?p=502#comment-2201 Bro. Lionel, Let me be the one to be embararrased since I didn't figure out another way to characterize the mentality being expressed by those who elevate political action over evangelism. The statement was about their treatment of the gospel or the "Christian" label as a means for an agenda other than Christ' glory. I was speaking the truth in love through the clarity of the analogy, however, let me try again: And where is the gospel in all this? Probably standing in the front yard of it's home about to be shot up with Proposition AK-47 ballots. (Gang Bangers mentality) And where is the gospel in all this? Probably in the kitchen cooking the eggs for the free breakfast program. (Black Panthers mentality) D.A. I don't hate you. I apologize that you were hurt by my statement. But not that you were convicted by my analogy. You should have been. You see, I was greatly offended that you made the mission that my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ gave to us, His disciples for which he gave His life, to spread the message of His kingdom through the preaching of the gospel, a secondary issue. Perhaps it should be a "both/and" issue. But if it's an "either/or" issue, then believers must side with the gospel. So many politically active Christians are seeking to save certain rights that neither Jesus, His apostles, the early church for 300 years or the persecuted churches everywhere in the world today had. And all under the guise of protecting "Christian" freedom. That's baloney. Now you can either ignore the apology and my attempt to provide the context and comparative examples for my analogy or you can accept them both and allow your views to be challenged. Again, if I'm so ignorant, then it should be quite easy to refute me, no? By the way, Lionel, I submit to any decision you make as to the continuance of this dialogue even the deletion of any of my comments that you feel D.A. may be correct about. I certainly did not want to violate the "Pursuit of Edification" which is completely biblical and with which I totally agree. Bro. Lionel,

Let me be the one to be embararrased since I didn’t figure out another way to characterize the mentality being expressed by those who elevate political action over evangelism. The statement was about their treatment of the gospel or the “Christian” label as a means for an agenda other than Christ’ glory. I was speaking the truth in love through the clarity of the analogy, however, let me try again:

And where is the gospel in all this? Probably standing in the front yard of it’s home about to be shot up with Proposition AK-47 ballots. (Gang Bangers mentality)

And where is the gospel in all this? Probably in the kitchen cooking the eggs for the free breakfast program. (Black Panthers mentality)

D.A. I don’t hate you. I apologize that you were hurt by my statement. But not that you were convicted by my analogy. You should have been. You see, I was greatly offended that you made the mission that my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ gave to us, His disciples for which he gave His life, to spread the message of His kingdom through the preaching of the gospel, a secondary issue. Perhaps it should be a “both/and” issue. But if it’s an “either/or” issue, then believers must side with the gospel. So many politically active Christians are seeking to save certain rights that neither Jesus, His apostles, the early church for 300 years or the persecuted churches everywhere in the world today had. And all under the guise of protecting “Christian” freedom. That’s baloney.

Now you can either ignore the apology and my attempt to provide the context and comparative examples for my analogy or you can accept them both and allow your views to be challenged. Again, if I’m so ignorant, then it should be quite easy to refute me, no?

By the way, Lionel, I submit to any decision you make as to the continuance of this dialogue even the deletion of any of my comments that you feel D.A. may be correct about. I certainly did not want to violate the “Pursuit of Edification” which is completely biblical and with which I totally agree.

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By: D. A http://blackandreformedministries.com/2008/08/07/and-the-world-realized-that-they-were-christians/#comment-2197 D. A Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:37:11 +0000 http://blackandreformedministries.wordpress.com/?p=502#comment-2197 lionel, you should be embarrassed that he said that on your blog. You just made a whole post about speaking truth in love. I wish all your readers were as convicted by it as I was. lionel, you should be embarrassed that he said that on your blog. You just made a whole post about speaking truth in love. I wish all your readers were as convicted by it as I was.

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