
I think I have finally realized something, that will now put me in a very flaky category with many but that is okay also. I won’t preface what I believe because I think that has been clear by my statement of faith which could easily be defined by Romans 3:21-27 and 1 Corinthians 15 with a dash of monergistic salvation.
So I want to say this and this may change tomorrow but it is at least food for thought. That is if we “must” do something, then that “must” has to be aligned with scripture. You see I used to get confuse about all the fuss on paedo/credo baptism. But now I think I get the argument. If we “must” baptize which I believe the bible says there is a right and wrong way of doing it. But this opens up Pandora’s box for me. Why? Because I am a blog follower and avid book reader and what I am starting to see is. Most of these authors and bloggers ain’t leaving room for flexibility. Most are very dogmatic as it comes to certain things which I will list below. But truth be told they should be. Why? Because if these things are must, then they “must” be done the right way. In steps the proverbial problem. So lets look at some things together.
1. If we must be a member of a church, then that church should function as biblically as possible. With 24K known denominations you know we got serious problems in that area.
2. If we must have leadership, then that leadership must reflect the biblical model. So either plurality, Senior pastor, blended leadership with a senior elder, senior pastor/deacon. Presbyterian, Episcopalian, Methodist or neither are right. We just can’t say the bible is flexible on this but we must have them. That is like a doctor telling you, that you will die and you need some medicine but their is flexibility in what you take. Either one of them are right or none of them are right and if you tell a Christian that must submit to leadership that leadership “must” be biblical.
3. The Lord’s Table. Many of my Reformed Brothers are big on the Lord’s Supper, Communion or whatever you want to call it these days. So if we must do this, and some believe God is present in the partaking of the table, then it must be done as biblical as possible. I don’t believe a thimble of juice and an oyster cracker is sufficient. But I will leave that open to debate.
4. Church discipline. If we are to discipline than we must discipline as biblically as possible. Once again if we make this a must there should be consensus on how God wants this done. So we don’t even know how to do what we must do. Some feel that leaders are responsible others feel that the whole church is to know (I agree with the latter)
5. Women in ministry. Now this is a huge one. Most evangelically conservative churches agree that women should not be in “authority” (whatever that means) in the church and nor should they teach. The problem is teaching in one church is not teaching in another and authority in one church isn’t authority in another. So we have glaring inconsistencies though we are clear that we all agree on 1 Timothy 2-3. This can’t be right. Somebody is in sin for allowing a “woman” to do something she shouldn’t be doing and is causing or condoning her sin also. Should she be a worship leader, new members director, deacon, can she teach men on finances or counsel men (with their wives hopefully)? The inconsistencies across the board on this are alarming indeed.
6. Some will tell me that Christ died for the local church to be established also. If that is the case what should that look like? How should the local church function? How should they not function? Should we court the attendance of non-believers. Should we focus more on the believers? How about leaders again. Are we a church only if we agree with Calvin? You know, sacraments faithfully administered, biblical leaders, the word faithfully taught (whatever that means)? Or can we be like some guys I know that meet over coffee?
7. Then what about worship? Can I have nonbelievers playing in my worship band? Should we sing certain songs while others are not acceptable? What is acceptable? Should we have worship leaders or those who facilitate worship? Should we have choirs or worship teams? Not again if we must do worship, then shouldn’t we do it the way the bible describes it? Though many will say that they are it is radical inconsistencies between parties.
8. Finally I will leave with teaching! Now we all agree we “must” teach. But then some feel that expository preaching is the only way. Others believe it should be interactive. Some say preaching is logic on fire. Can we have a 15 minute pep talk with 30 minutes of worship and 15 minutes of announcements? Should we have 45-1hour preaching with all of the seminary homiletics employed?
I am not being mordant here, I am saying again if cans are musts then musts have musts.
Lionel-
“I think I have finally realized something, that will now put me in a very flaky category with many but that is okay also.”
Welcome to the club brother! Grin.
Mike
Hey bro…I know it’s been a minute and I’ve missed alot of discussion on here – you know I’ve been back east for the last few weeks.
But, you’re right – we must seek biblical accuracy in these matters and the discussions/debates are vital and necessary but always needing to be charitable especially among those who are in agreement on essential doctrines affecting salvation. Which leads to a question…
In your mind – what are (if any) “disputable matters” or “opinions” according to Rom 14 particularly as it relates to Ecclesiology? Does this passage give us any “flexibility” in doctrine or practice and if so, what?
I can’t say that I have all of the issues that fall under it figured out myself yet – but I just want to get your thoughts.
I’ll hit you up soon…
Q
Q,
Yeah I know. I listened to your sermon and I must say, you are definitely gifted in that area and if anyone is to preach an “expository” sermon that I could thoroughly enjoy of the African American persuasion brother it is you! I pray that you were refeshed and are ready for this next semester friend.
Now as it relates to your question. I don’t know that is why I am asking or thinking out loud (electronically technically LOL). What I do see however is very dogmatic right/wrong or even musts statements. If there are musts as I said before those musts have to have musts (too wordy?). If we are to say “biblical preaching is ______” then ___________ has to be the only way to do it and everyone else is wrong. I have a link to what defines a healthy church (or a page) look at the list. Are these musts? If so then they have to be SOP directly from God anything other than this would assume to be an unhealthy church. Likewise as it relates to church leadership. Are we to have any leadership? The answer to that is no due to the fact we don’t allow women to be “leaders”. However beyond that there is no consistency within the body, thus if we can be flexible on how then why can’t we be flexible on who? I think we can deduce from scripture the how, but many read a 21st century mentaility into it and the we just say “well we don’t agree but we have flexiblity so it is a secondary issue”.
So I guess what I am addind to the discussion is who decide what is secondary or who decides what we are to be flexible on? If we are striclty commanded on “what to do” and we hold very strong to many of the “what’s” I believe we have to be find “how” and attempt to be as consistent as possible.
Lionel,
Thanks for giving me a headache on a Saturday afternoon. I didn’t expect to have to think this hard on the Sabbath. Isn’t that a sin? LOL Just kidding. But seriously, each one of your questions could be its own post. Like the previous commentors i don’t know if I can say for sure one way or the other but I am persuaded because of this to look at these issues and study them again. Hopefully I can become clearer when I teach.
Great work brother.