Comments on: Is there Room at the Cross for Suicide???? http://blackandreformedministries.com/2008/03/13/is-there-room-at-the-cross-for-suicide/ "But as it is, Christ has obtained a ministry that is as much more excellent than the old as the covenant he mediates is better, since it is enacted on better promises." Hebrews 8:6 Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:18:30 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: lionelwoods7 http://blackandreformedministries.com/2008/03/13/is-there-room-at-the-cross-for-suicide/#comment-695 lionelwoods7 Sun, 16 Mar 2008 03:44:35 +0000 http://blackandreformedministries.wordpress.com/?p=140#comment-695 Gab you said: "Suicide to prevent prolonged torture - Suppose someone was being tortured in an excruciating manner for an unbearably long period of time. Would suicide be an option? If so, why wouldn’t it be all right in the medically assisted context if the patient were also in excruciating pain for long periods of time?" Suicide is never the option and Doctors have no right nor patients have the right to take their own lives. The Sovereign God has allowed such situations and as Job once said "though you slay me". So I think it doesn't get much more unbearable than Job, but even in that Christ endured the worst of torture and pain and He was 100% innoncent and just as Job pursued God in His turmoil Christ comes along and bears not only the pain of the Roman execution He also bears the pain of being seperated from the Father. So if He would bear that for me I think I would do everything to bear terminal illness. Gab you said:

“Suicide to prevent prolonged torture – Suppose someone was being tortured in an excruciating manner for an unbearably long period of time. Would suicide be an option? If so, why wouldn’t it be all right in the medically assisted context if the patient were also in excruciating pain for long periods of time?”

Suicide is never the option and Doctors have no right nor patients have the right to take their own lives. The Sovereign God has allowed such situations and as Job once said “though you slay me”. So I think it doesn’t get much more unbearable than Job, but even in that Christ endured the worst of torture and pain and He was 100% innoncent and just as Job pursued God in His turmoil Christ comes along and bears not only the pain of the Roman execution He also bears the pain of being seperated from the Father. So if He would bear that for me I think I would do everything to bear terminal illness.

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By: Emissary/ Easy G (G²) http://blackandreformedministries.com/2008/03/13/is-there-room-at-the-cross-for-suicide/#comment-670 Emissary/ Easy G (G²) Sat, 15 Mar 2008 19:03:12 +0000 http://blackandreformedministries.wordpress.com/?p=140#comment-670 I may've I missed it, but in case I wanted to mention that Suicide is NOT the unforgivable sin. Jesus spoke of the unforgivable sin in Matt. 12:22-32....BUT The context is when the Pharisees accused Jesus of casting out demons by the power of the devil. That showed that despite anything Christ did prior to that event or afterward, they were hardened in their hearts toward Him and determine to deny Him/Suppress the truth about Him in order to promote their own agenda (Romans 1:18-32).....& when that happens, what else can one expect but to be cut off from ever recieving the forgiveness available in Christ? Suicide is not the unforgivable sin. If that be the case, then God help those Christians who kill themselves due to DEPRESSION, as severe depression robs the mind of clear thinking and people in such states honestly aren't in their right minds......or people who struggle with natural things such as being BI-POLAR/have CHEMICAL IMBALANCES that are of no fault of their own, as the medical community is full of accounts of extraordinary behaviors by people whose "circuits got crossed." even when they didn't ask it......& Just as it was for a diabetic, If the medicine stopped, then you'd be a a higher risk for doing something damaging. I may’ve I missed it, but in case I wanted to mention that Suicide is NOT the unforgivable sin. Jesus spoke of the unforgivable sin in Matt. 12:22-32….BUT The context is when the Pharisees accused Jesus of casting out demons by the power of the devil. That showed that despite anything Christ did prior to that event or afterward, they were hardened in their hearts toward Him and determine to deny Him/Suppress the truth about Him in order to promote their own agenda (Romans 1:18-32)…..& when that happens, what else can one expect but to be cut off from ever recieving the forgiveness available in Christ?

Suicide is not the unforgivable sin. If that be the case, then God help those Christians who kill themselves due to DEPRESSION, as severe depression robs the mind of clear thinking and people in such states honestly aren’t in their right minds……or people who struggle with natural things such as being BI-POLAR/have CHEMICAL IMBALANCES that are of no fault of their own, as the medical community is full of accounts of extraordinary behaviors by people whose “circuits got crossed.” even when they didn’t ask it……& Just as it was for a diabetic, If the medicine stopped, then you’d be a a higher risk for doing something damaging.

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By: Emissary/ Easy G (G²) http://blackandreformedministries.com/2008/03/13/is-there-room-at-the-cross-for-suicide/#comment-668 Emissary/ Easy G (G²) Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:45:55 +0000 http://blackandreformedministries.wordpress.com/?p=140#comment-668 By the way, In addressing the question of whether Christ died even for the sin of suicide, part of me can't help but wonder why it seems that other forms of the action seem to get less press as if they're OK/Christ is cool with forgiving them. Examples of this: Medically Assisted Suicide (Euthenasia)- The doctor is supposed to save life, not destroy it. But, lately as destroying the lives of the unborn is more common place, destroying the lives of the sick has become the next logical step. Suicide to prevent prolonged torture - Suppose someone was being tortured in an excruciating manner for an unbearably long period of time. Would suicide be an option? If so, why wouldn't it be all right in the medically assisted context if the patient were also in excruciating pain for long periods of time? Did Christ die for these as well? By the way,

In addressing the question of whether Christ died even for the sin of suicide, part of me can’t help but wonder why it seems that other forms of the action seem to get less press as if they’re OK/Christ is cool with forgiving them. Examples of this:

Medically Assisted Suicide (Euthenasia)- The doctor is supposed to save life, not destroy it. But, lately as destroying the lives of the unborn is more common place, destroying the lives of the sick has become the next logical step.

Suicide to prevent prolonged torture – Suppose someone was being tortured in an excruciating manner for an unbearably long period of time. Would suicide be an option? If so, why wouldn’t it be all right in the medically assisted context if the patient were also in excruciating pain for long periods of time?

Did Christ die for these as well?

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By: Emissary/ Easy G (G²) http://blackandreformedministries.com/2008/03/13/is-there-room-at-the-cross-for-suicide/#comment-667 Emissary/ Easy G (G²) Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:41:57 +0000 http://blackandreformedministries.wordpress.com/?p=140#comment-667 If anyone's interested, consider checking out this article on suicide (which actually happened ALOT in the Scriptures): http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=378 If anyone’s interested, consider checking out this article on suicide (which actually happened ALOT in the Scriptures):

http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=378

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By: Jim Pemberton http://blackandreformedministries.com/2008/03/13/is-there-room-at-the-cross-for-suicide/#comment-664 Jim Pemberton Sat, 15 Mar 2008 15:44:12 +0000 http://blackandreformedministries.wordpress.com/?p=140#comment-664 A agree, Lionel. Even we as Christians sin. Sometimes we are even aware of our sins. Years before I was married I committed adultery. I was a Christian then, but I lost my assurance. God was faithful and brought me back to repentance through daily sanctification. I heard some Christians talking junk about another Christian. One piped up and said, "We shouldn't be talking about a brother in Christ this way." Why didn't they all realize it before then? The fact is, we sin all the time in little ways without even realizing it. That's another reason why grace is so important. I'd like to address something you said in the article: "People usually tell me 'keep all that theology stuff, just give me the bible'." You have a good answer to them. They should also understand that they are making a theological statement. They are saying that God doesn't care about the details. The fact of the matter is that given the number of people that have ever lived, we are each little tiny details. If God doesn't care about details, He doesn't care about any one of us individually either. No - God cares about the details and He is worthy of our diligent study of Him. Theological study is part of our worship. A agree, Lionel. Even we as Christians sin. Sometimes we are even aware of our sins. Years before I was married I committed adultery. I was a Christian then, but I lost my assurance. God was faithful and brought me back to repentance through daily sanctification. I heard some Christians talking junk about another Christian. One piped up and said, “We shouldn’t be talking about a brother in Christ this way.” Why didn’t they all realize it before then? The fact is, we sin all the time in little ways without even realizing it. That’s another reason why grace is so important.

I’d like to address something you said in the article:

“People usually tell me ‘keep all that theology stuff, just give me the bible’.”

You have a good answer to them. They should also understand that they are making a theological statement. They are saying that God doesn’t care about the details. The fact of the matter is that given the number of people that have ever lived, we are each little tiny details. If God doesn’t care about details, He doesn’t care about any one of us individually either. No – God cares about the details and He is worthy of our diligent study of Him. Theological study is part of our worship.

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